[PIGMI] TRON the Movie (was RE: Tron the Game)
Andy Hawkins
andyhawkins at ozemail.com.au
Fri Jan 21 02:18:47 PST 2011
Cool thanks Shanon - I wanted to know what the game was like.
Andy H.
> ...and enough movie reviews now.
>
> Just bought the game tron evolution on ps3, its currently $49 at EB.
> Apparently its a pre-cursor to legacy film. Shortly after the intro
> levels, theres an animation scene where you watch from a distance the
> point where clu supposedly kills tron. Quorra was there too, watching
> too far away to help. Then it cuts back to gameplay and its game on
> as clu's army starts trying to kill you, along with virus/zombie like
> ISOs that are controlled/spawned by your main game enemy.
>
> The camera is swinging wildly for the 3rd person view, and controls
> are taking a bit to get used to, although in the end theyre quite
> simple. Just not normal. I havent played very long but so far its
> kinda fun. A bit more detail of the grid city and costumes look good,
> being all glowy n stuff.
>
> ToWeR
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Andy Hawkins
> <andyhawkins at ozemail.com.au <mailto:andyhawkins at ozemail.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Well as arguably the original TRON's biggest fan eva! except for
> Tron Guy (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tron-guy) I was fairly Meh
> about TRON : Legacy. I'm not even sure why they called it legacy,
> until I read Brendan's link about the animated series, and
> realised it was bringing the franchise up to date for a new
> generation. However the original TRON wasn't meant to be a
> franchise. It was interesting seeing the memorabilia in the
> beginning of the second film, as if there was a movie/reality ???
> I can't figure out which - that generated posters, toys, hats and
> pie.
>
> "Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for...oh...", the beginning of
> the film. Cool bits about the Flynn (ahem) ENCOM OS 12 wanting to
> be free etc which kinda kept in touch with the sentiment of
> Flynn's ideology of the original film. It's also reiterated when
> Flynn explains to Sam how the system was upgraded AD MCP, birth of
> CLU 2.0 etc. I feel that was in keeping with the original film.
>
> If you are as old as me, you would have seen the original film
> started with a slate explaining the term 'user'. This was so
> indicative of the time and the impact that TRON had on the
> audience - look at Flynn's home terminal - hardly a graphics
> workhorse. People were barely gripping on to home computing and
> TRON came along to create a massive fantasy about the whole thing.
> You could never recreate this kind of cultural impact. Perhaps
> Disney knew this and didn't even try in the new film. Which
> brings me to the plot...
>
> The whole gladiator thing was great and a nice nod to the original
> games - I originally thought that TRON couldn't be re-done because
> back then we hadn't seen graphics like in the original film, but
> now we see them all the time. The only saving grace was 3D - but
> they should have made it the first 3D movie to come out for that
> plan to work. The thing about TRON back then was showing us
> imagery of what it might look like inside the computer. In the
> arena this was Disneys chance to say, 'this is how TRON should
> have looked'. But they must have realised, 'shit this sequence
> was like 200 shots, costing us 20 bajillion dollars - we gotta pan
> this out a bit'. So they write in the Sam escapes into the cyber
> wastelands (surely cheaper to render and animate) and the pace
> slows down.
>
> So the film's plot is at the point where Disney has done it's best
> to pay hommage to the original and wow the fans - I was certainly
> impressed, and then they had nothing. So they just made it - hero
> must save the world, save the princess and get home, oh and
> explain what Flynn's been doing all this time. The rest of the
> film played out without any surprises, it just relied on the
> original film plot without making embarressing moments such as the
> grid bugs and "do you think we can merge with this memory, BIT?"
>
> At the time of writing this, and having read Brendan's link, I am
> now of the firm belief the producers did something like this.
> 1. Teaser trailer to make the fans go - "I don't care what it
> costs I'm gonna see it 15 times"
> 2. Teaser trailer to pique non-fans' curiosity .
> 3. Gladiator scene at beginning of film to pay hommage to
> original (and fans) and make audience feel like they got the TRON
> they waited to see.
> 4. Budget adjustment when main effects sequences were costed, to
> slow down expenditure, and script rewritten to reduce remaining
> number of exciting fx shots.
> 5. Plan for animated series and use future syndication deals
> (future profits) to finish the film.
> 6. Forget about plot, and hope to get it back in series.
>
> Something I didn't get was why they had the arena anyway? Oh I
> get how it was for CLU 2.0's enjoyment or something. If this was
> meant to be a free system, why did the populace relish in the
> deresolution of others? Were all the people in the arena stands
> now warriors of the CLU 2.0 elite? What was TRON and Flynn really
> fighting for if everyone was quite happy to see programs have the
> bits blasted out them?
>
> Why did they call either film TRON??? I know TRON is like TRace
> ON, an old computer command to give the film a unique title. The
> original film had the amazing (at the time) disc battle with TRON,
> "who's that guy", "That's TRON. He fights for the users", and
> the light cycle bit, but the film was never about him. It was
> always about Flynn. I know, I know, Flynn represents us, like Sam
> represents us in the new film. But the second film was even less
> about TRON. In the scene where they "set the wayback machine" and
> we see TRON working with CLU 2.0 and Flynn inside the system
> working to make a better world, you can almost see the
> disappointment on Bruce Boxlietner's face - like 'why they fuck
> are they always focusing on this Flynn dude??? - I'm the star right?'
>
> Hopefully the series will focus on TRON and make him the hero. In
> my mind, they still haven't made a true TRON film yet. I was
> going to say 'they still haven't made a true TRON sequel' but the
> original TRON film was like, 'look at the awesome graphics
> audience ... oh shit... do you think we better write a script?'
>
> Andy H.
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> You've hit the nail on the head, Nick.
>
> Plus I think Brendan's analysis was quite accurate.
>
>
> On 20/01/2011 3:36 PM, Nick Lowe wrote:
>
> I hadn't planned to chime into this epic thread, but since
> Brendan has
> brought it back from the dead...
>
> I also got the distinct feeling that it was a rush job
> (they either ran
> out of time or money.) There was so many little problems
> that should
> have been fixed. (eg. Jeff Bridges old-man voice was a
> poor match for
> his young face - why no digital audio editing?).
>
> The most overt sign of a rush job is probably this sequence:
>
> - Hero bursts into "boss" room. Two enemies prepare to
> face him.
> Close-up on hero's face as a confident smirk appears. Cuts
> away...
>
> - Following scene: Hero tromps into next room saying
> something like
> "Man, that off-camera fight was so cool. You should have
> animated it...
> er, I mean seen it".
>
> Gah!
>
> So, I was pretty disappointed by the film. It felt like it
> was trying to
> emulate the Matrix and fell flat. Like it was trying to be
> science
> fiction, when it should've stayed as pure science fantasy.
>
> The characterisations were even more one-dimensional and
> immature than I
> expected (and I had low expectations). The protagonist's
> reactions to
> events were jarringly inhuman. He was pure caricature -
> void of any
> believable emotion, just giddy and excited to be shooting
> bad guys.
>
> All that being said, I found the music and general
> aesthetics very
> appealing. Although not nearly enough to make up for the
> awful script,
> casting, and acting.
>
> The original teaser trailer was much better. :P
>
> - Nick
>
> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 13:17 +0800, Brendan Ragan wrote:
>
> Wow.
>
>
> Okay a few random thoughts:
> 1) On the whole "Tron is a long Daft Punk Video Clip"
> - yes, it could
> be taken that way (I'm very much in the "Daft Punk did
> a great job on
> the soundtrack" camp) - though that's already been
> done much better by
> "Interstella
> 5555"
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstella_5555:_The_5tory_of_the_5ecret_5tar_5ystem)
> which arguably has a more sensical plot than TRON:
> Legacy :)
>
>
> 2) TRON: Legacy's script is what you get when you
> design a movie by
> committee - there are things that are Chekov'ed early
> on that never
> eventuate (Sam Flynn's pickup of the spare
> lightcycle/lightflyer
> controls which is never used for example), the Quorra
> Character's
> change in personality from kick-ass fighter to
> helpless princess, the
> extraordinarily poor exposition at the start of the
> film. The Speech
> given by CLU 2.0 to his converted soldiers (!?). CLU
> 2.0 tracing Sam's
> stolen lightcycle back to the cave, but Flynn never
> mentions that this
> could happen and yet yells at Sam later on in the film
> for it.
> Normally Disney doesn't do this poor a job - I suspect
> this film was a
> rush job.
>
>
> 3) Effects-wise, I think they did a pretty good job
> *other* than Clu
> 2.0 - which falls into the uncanny valley so badly at
> points it
> detracts whenever he's on screen. It's interesting too
> - the same
> capture stuff that was used on Avatar was used here -
> again, I suspect
> there wasn't enough time given to this film to
> complete the effects to
> the required standard.
>
>
> I liked the film, but it's not a good movie. For me it
> traded a LOT on
> the nostalgia I have for the earlier film (which I
> enjoy, I have the
> 20th Anniversary edition etc.).
>
>
> Now I'm going to say something that people are
> probably not going to
> like :P
>
>
> For Disney, TRON: Legacy is *all about* trading on
> that nostalgia and
> using it to create another new IP to (in Activision
> parlance) exploit.
> The video game(s) (yes there are more coming) are an
> example of this.
> There are two TV shows in pre-production
> (http://www.movieweb.com/news/disney-confirms-tron-legacy-tv-series-in-the-works)
> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1812523/) etc. Which
> begins to explain the mess that is the movie's script
> and some of the effects.
>
>
> I had a lot of time for Tron, time will tell if the
> nostalgia is
> enough for me to look past the flaws and buy into this
> new Content
> Kingdom Theme Park the mouse is about to open.
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