[PIGMI] TRON the game

[Scott Kerr]

I agree with George, Tron is a load of rubbish and anyone who liked it is
wrong.

On that topic, I saw this thing the other day, a painting called
"water lilies" by some guy called Monet? What a load of bunk! Everyone was
raving about it so I went and took a look and was sorely disappointed. It's
just a bunch of leaves and flowers on a pond, I see leaves and flowers every
day, not at all memorable and no meaning whatsoever! Everyone seems to be
praising it based solely visual elements when obviously that doesn't matter
at all for a painting. People keep going on about it's 'killer brushwork'
but not only does some apparently good brushwork not matter at all for a
painting but once you take a good close look it's all just a splotchy mess
that doesn't look like anything at all! They told me to take a step back to
properly appreciate it but really, if a painting can't stand up to close
scrutiny how can you call it a masterpiece?

Anyway, I'd say that just like Tron anyone who likes that painting is wrong.
I don't get why they'd go on about it, it's almost like they think
appreciation of art and media is subjective or something.

:p

On 23 December 2010 10:44, Simon Wittber <simonwittber at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Ah, but the analogy here is really: The pie was gristle and mush, but it
> was
> > a great pie because it has nice tomato sauce on it.
> >
> > Or: The cake was mouldy and rancid, but it had great icing so the cake
> was
> > excellent.
>
> We could go in circles here by adding various adjectives, but I think
> you understand my point, which is that a soundtrack is integral to the
> entire experience.
>
> > I'm reacting to the apparent rating of Tron highly based solely upon it's
> > visual and auditory elements. I notice nobody has said anything about the
> > story, or characters, or really anything else. Was there a single
> character
> > you actually cared about in the film at all? Does anyone feel the story
> was
> > well crafted or clever or interesting or well thought out?
>
> No, as I said previously, the story was simple and common, but that
> doesn't make it bad.
>
> > A soundtrack alone cannot carry a film - there must be more, otherwise
> you
> > don't really have a movie at all, you have the equivalent of a fireworks
> > display - great sight and sound, but no other elements.
>
> I disagree here, Close Encounters of the Third Kind in particular has
> no discernible story, yet the music and musical elements of that film
> tell a story by themselves. When I hear the signature sequence of
> notes from the film, I find it is impossible not to relive the
> experience of "visiting aliens", but the story is not something I
> remember at all.
>
> > But how to dig deep and discover all that? At the time of watching the
> film
> > the music washed over me leaving no impression at all, other than the
> vague
> > knowledge it was techno music with a drum beat. After the movie I checked
> > out the Daft Punk site and listened more closely to a couple of tracks to
> > find....nothing more. Repetition of a riff does not equal progression.
> > Single tune melody with no harmony.
> >
>
> I don't think I can help you here. Maybe have a go at crafting some
> audio from a few loops, and the experience may enlighten you. :-) In
> the soundtrack, progression comes from layering of sound, and slowly
> adding, subtracting and multiplying filters and effects, I think they
> made good use of bit-destruction-type filters on a fairly slow drum
> track.
>
> > Sounds like you may be a Daft Punk fan? Would you enjoy any film as long
> as
> > it had a Daft Punk soundtrack?
>
> No, in general I don't listen to Daft Punk, and I think this
> soundtrack is different to their usual stuff.
>
> > The story wasn't simple. It was a mess that had absolutely zero internal
> > consistency and sense. It meandered, lost the plot (literally), fell to
> > pieces, bored you to tears and went nowhere, attempted nothing, failing
> to
> > be interesting, engaging, or entertaining. It raises more questions than
> it
> > could ever possibly answer, and it does not, cannot answer them as the
> > film-makers literally have no idea.
>
> Son loses Dad. Son finds Dad who is in trouble. Son tries to help Dad.
> Dad sacrifices himself to save Son. Game Over. Banal, simple and
> common, yet overall it was a great trip. Also, I think all questions
> were answered when he turned the computer off in the last moments of
> the film! :-)
>
> I think if you judge this film as a programmer or developer, it cannot
> stand up to any kind of scrutiny. You have to treat it as an
> incredibly fanciful tale with no basis in reality. I had to
> consciously do this myself, early in the film.
>
> -Sw.
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